OBAMA...INFP?

topic posted Thu, February 21, 2008 - 4:35 PM by  Barton F1nk
Well, has anyone pegged him yet? Obviously an Idealist personality type...and most anecdotal evidence suggests a "contemplative" introverted temperament. So it's either P o J, and while J would probably be favorable to any presidential candidate, his continued emphasis on open-mindedness and transcendence over bi-partisanship makes me think he might be a very gifted P.

What do you think?
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Barton F1nk
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    Re: OBAMA...INFP?

    Thu, February 21, 2008 - 5:29 PM
    I didnt think Obama was INFP.

    I thought Kucinich was INFP/INTP.
    He had balls.
    • JW
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      Thu, February 21, 2008 - 8:23 PM
      Interesting question. I suppose you are biased, that you like him and therefore want to think you share many personality traits with him, but that doesn't mean you are wrong. I don't have much of an opinion of him, but his demeanor does give off a subdued enthusiasm. Subdued enthusiasm hints at INFP, in my experience. Here is something maybe more interesting than your question, which I just thought of now. I think Obama's body build and demeanor contribute to the comparisons with Bin Laden. I don't believe all of them are racist or hateful commentary on his name and heritage.
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        Fri, February 22, 2008 - 1:21 PM
        When you say comparison I'm assuming you mean slips of the tongue. I also don't believe it to be racial (well, maybe it is in a couple cases...), but I do believe it to be primarily based on the name more than body type. The profile of both figures alone, pretending they had wildly different names, would not lead to any superficial comparison. Since they do have a similar body type the name association is fortified.



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          Fri, February 22, 2008 - 2:00 PM
          I so very much love the quality of open mindedness...nothing to do with anything but I just love it!

          What I do want to say is if Obama was an INFP that would be relatively "rare" no?

          I have been trying to find a site I wandered into that discussed world leaders and personality types, was all in the one spot, listed..don't seem to be able to put my finger on it and couldn't be completely sure how authentic/verified/accurate anyway...

          So Iask myself and go spinning into research of why this may be?

          What are the qualities of INFP's that would be detrimental? to leadership?

          Bart you raise some very interesting ideas. Thanks. Will keep me occupied and thinking and researching for about 18 years.
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            Fri, February 22, 2008 - 2:37 PM
            yes it would be farely rare pj. First because the 'idealist' temperament is rare in itself, and second because the work Obama has done with regards to legislation and as a professor of law at the University of Chicago, would require him to make use of his inferior functions. That's true at least as far as my understanding of Meyers-Briggs typing is concerned...I am by no means an expert.

            The problem with having an intuitive feeler in office would mostly come down to processing concrete details and handling red tape. In many ways Hillary's negative campaigning against Obama hinges upon what is frequently leveled against Idealist types; that because he is so focused on the abstract he won't be able to deal with the mundane real world responsibilities of office. If you've watched any debates between the two candidates, you can see that Hillary's temperament is more well-suited for that kind of back and forth discussion. She's able to recall concrete facts and data at a clip that Obama can't match. It is certainly a possibility that if Obama becomes president, his ideals will quickly wither in the face of what must happen in order to have them realized. This would be disappointing not only for him and the party, but for all the people who have been more or less mesmerized by his ability to speak to the heart.


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              Fri, February 22, 2008 - 3:50 PM
              Bart, (I am still learning so much on everything here) but...would it be possible to just utilise the hard fact-realisers that he could have in his circle of Government.

              I have some business which I am really good at, but I have the greatest team available to pick up the pieces of hard fact detail stuff (which is kryptonite for me :) )

              I maybe over simplifying things, but it is so possible to draw together teams of actuality....remember that quote of : look around your business, if you are the smartest one there, you are in trouble...:) (sorry no credit to whom said it will look up later, am on a roll thinking thingsout here).

              I believe INFP's can train themselves to look at hard facts and reality, if he is an INFP and if he has been successful as a Professor of Law (strewth!!) you point on making use of inf. functions maybe spot on.

              I reckon his wife isn't INFP though, she sounds so like my partner in life. Very different personality.

              This is all so damn interesting-hypothetical I know, but I love this stuff.

              Gotta be folk on your team that can handle red tape, I just find I only need to check up on that, oversee it...I maybe over simplifying again.
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                Fri, February 22, 2008 - 4:22 PM
                Yeah this stuff is alot of fun to think about pj, I agree.

                There are certain strengths to having an NF in office. First, as you pointed out, the president has an entire cabinet of people to filter information for him, and his empathic ability to assess character would likely result in very competent secretaries. Everything that's been observed about Obama's campaign during the primary suggests that he is able to synthesize a group of individuals effectively to achieve a specific end. This TIME article articulates what I'm talking about (www.time.com/time/magazi...97,00.html):

                "If nothing else, a presidential campaign tests a candidate's ability to think strategically and tactically and to manage a very complex organization. We have three plausible candidates remaining--Obama, Clinton and John McCain--and Obama has proved himself the best executive by far."

                "Clinton's sins are different: arrogance and the inability to see past loyalty to hire the best people for the job and to fire those who prove inadequate. 'If nothing else, we've learned that Obama probably has the ability to put together a smooth-running Administration,' said a Clinton super-delegate. 'That's pretty important.'"

                As president, Obama would not be writing any legislature, he'd only be promoting, cultivating and sometimes resisting the will of the legislative branch. His ability to communicate, notice trends, empathize, and mediate would all serve him well in that role. And obviously, being an NF would be tremendously advantageous with regards to international diplomacy.

                Still, my knowledge of the day-to-day life of the president is very limited. Hopefully someone here can give a second opinion.
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              Sat, February 23, 2008 - 12:25 PM
              I have noticed that Obama looks at his notes while Hilary speaks. I would guess that lawyers very often are NTJs, but contrast with Hilary the INTJ shows that Obama is not NTJ. Indecision could be a big problem for an INFP leader. Is Obama indecisive? Not to my knowledge, so maybe that argues against his being one of us.
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            Mon, February 25, 2008 - 5:57 AM
            >>What are the qualities of INFPs that would be detrimental to leadership?

            I don't consider it "detrimental," but the INFP's "behind-the-scene" interaction style tends to keep them out of the limelight, and they seem to struggle with being "invisible" more than having a "take-charge" attitude. They also tend to "process" at a slower pace.

            See www.interactionstyles.com for more.
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          Sat, February 23, 2008 - 12:21 PM
          Slips of the tongue, but not only that. You agree on body type (thank you), but not demeanor, unless I misread you. I'm not going to post links to the trash Osama bin Laden spews, but it's on YouTube, as is this talking-head footage of Obama. youtube.com/watch Evil Mr. bin Laden surprised me by using his hands at least a little in the video I watched, but gestures are more subdued in his brand of Islam than they are among mainstream Americans, I believe, so I'd try to ignore hand usage. Or consider both men's lack of dramatic, extravert-like gestures as indicator of likely introversion. The rest? You decide. Comparsion probably is better with the sound off.
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            Sat, February 23, 2008 - 9:56 PM
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              Sun, February 24, 2008 - 12:15 AM
              well that was useful, thanks. So I was correct in my "P" judgement but wrong in my "I". Certainly makes sense, and I would say that the benefits of extroversion would outweigh the added introspection of the introvert temperament when it comes to holding office. The article also points out an obvious "P" flaw that I hadn't thought of; restlessness with mundane tasks.
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                Sun, February 24, 2008 - 12:44 AM
                Great read, and the post article discussions, thanks so much for link.

                Good call Bart.

                This is fun.
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              Mon, February 25, 2008 - 5:59 AM
              Every type expert I've spoken to about that article says it's bunk. (I couldn't finish it; couldn't get past the mis-typing of Hilary, who most type-aware folks agree displays INTJ preferences.)
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                Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:42 AM
                And what about Obama, Vicky? Would you agree on a possibly "ENFP" typing?
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                  Wed, April 9, 2008 - 11:23 AM
                  I (for one) am almost completely sure at this point that Obama is NOT an ENFP, and that he is instead an _SFP....(more to come)
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                    Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:01 PM
                    It's been a week :) I was thinking of him as INFP this week after his controversial comments about "bitter" people. An editorial in The New York Times called him an "intellectual" and an "anthropologist." Those terms could easily apply to me.
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                      Sun, April 27, 2008 - 5:48 PM
                      darn, it has been two/three weeks now. OK.

                      Obama: of all the candidates, he seems to be doing the most acting. So, a type guess would be the most difficult for him. Although his campaign persona definately resembles a catylist, I don't think he is one.

                      My suspicion is that, despite his supposed lack for specifics, Obama has a preference for sensing. That's where I think the campaign persona comes in. He seems to have a basic knowledge for symbolism, where he knows how to get people 'riled' around symbols and colorful illustrations of 'global' themes, but he doesn't seem to exactly know what he's talking about when he does this. This is often how intuition is used by _SP types. I call this "Bob-Dylan-lyrics intuition". At this point, in fact, I am fairly convinced that Obama is an improvisor. My guess is _SFP.
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    Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:22 PM
    Obama and INFP? Hmmm. maybe that's why I like him so much! GO OBAMA! :)
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      Wed, April 30, 2008 - 5:43 AM
      is trying to see everyone in a good light despite the offenses an attribute if INFP because he does that alot...
      always looking for the positive side to situations and people despite the circumstances...
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        Wed, April 30, 2008 - 6:39 PM
        My guess too Jessy, I wonder if he has the trigger point, what is the "thing" that when they overstep he lets them have it?

        Or is he that in tune, that well self disciplined it ain't gunna happen?

        Mine is human rights, especially kids.

        Couldn't we email his office or secretary and ask for his personality type?

        I will have a rat around the internet and try to find some contact, I'm an Australian, they may just think we are a little crazy and inquisitive and let me know...if I get it, I'll post it. :)
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          Wed, April 30, 2008 - 7:45 PM
          I should join his team of volunteers (for his campaign) just to find out....

          go PJ go!
          • pj
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            Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:18 AM
            Okie dokie, his site is easy to negotiate, have fired off an email asking his personality type, shall see how we go.

            In the meantime, as I was ratting around, and of course got absorbed and lost in one million other unrelated things...I did find some other people talking about his personality type too:

            www.personalityzone.com/view/b...re.html

            Did we find this site already?

            KipParent thinks: .....Rational, most likely an INTJ Mastermind.

            David Keirsey (isn't he up on temperaments?) says:"A small note regarding Obama character, I suspect that his Idealism was highly influenced by his mother. She was a clear Idealist, most likely a Counselor Idealist."

            The comments are interesting.

            Then there was this:

            tfsmith.politicalgateway.com/mai...html

            Which is; THE MASK OF BARACK OBAMA

            A PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE

            By the editors and
            contributors and analysts
            of ContrarianCommentary.com
            Copyright © 2007

            An excerpt:
            "PROFILING BARACK OBAMA

            Initially one can ask: why profile Obama? Is a psychological profile really needed? The answer is, understanding a public figure’s psyche and psychological motivation is no less critical because that person is in the public arena. It may be even more important. We can see an example of the need for constant review and evaluation of a person’s mental state ripped out of the headlines, in the saga of the astronaut who went berserk and sought to stalk her romantic rival." ...as per the site, with much more...

            In the meantime I await Barack Obama's answer. I was thinking, I wouldn't mind knowing Hillary's too, for that matter. Hmmmm.


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              Thu, May 1, 2008 - 10:22 AM
              interesting.. thank you for the sites.. good work!

              I dont see him as a rational ..I dont see the arrogance ... but then what is the mask?
              I can see the perfectionst in him..

              I believe he is idealistic more so than just an influence of his mother...

              smallness is not a bad thing infact I believe its what we a re missing...

              I dont believe ostacles make you weak in fact I believe it strengthens you...

              and lastly our dreams are our passion ... how would we make change without a dream ....



              Im not good at typing so Ill just observe for the most part and put in my 2 cents...

              : )
              • pj
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                Thu, May 1, 2008 - 2:18 PM
                ...and every bit of my gut feeling the same Jess. I think the person that wrote the mask piece has a motive, and it's not one of objectivity.

                My personal opinion is that INFP's can be whatever they want, including Presidents and Prime Ministers...I just think for most of us, we have other agendas and leadership is not always the priority in this.

                I think he is idealistic too, and I think that is an amazing thing, there is always the Purpose->Ease->Flow that can kick in with Idealism; works for me...haven't had a dream yet that hasn't come true.

                (Have emailed Hillary for her personality, I figure I am being a sticky beak on this, but I'm being a very polite, respectful sticky beak). They can ignore me, or say no. :)
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                  Thu, May 1, 2008 - 6:55 PM
                  keep us posted : )
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                    pj
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                    Fri, May 2, 2008 - 4:02 AM
                    Heh heh!

                    I am getting emails from Michelle, Obama's wife (generated support us kind-nothing personal, as in; "what on earth are you asking of my husband!!!!")

                    Wonder if I'll get an email from Bill? :-)
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    Thu, May 8, 2008 - 3:03 PM
    I'd be shocked if ever someone in a position with that much visibility and pressure turns out truly to be an INFP. The demands of campaigning are so awesome, and the eyes of the world are upon you every single day, the pace is incredible. I don't believe qualities like ambition can modulate an INFPs need for solitude, or especially for harmony. I'd vote for ENFX, if he's an idealist at all - and I do think other types can be capable of representing themselves as "change agents" without necessarily being idealists.

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