This isn't really intended to be a follow up to my last query about my relationship with my boyfriend, but it does have something to do with it I guess.
For those of you INFPs who are married, how did you know it was the right time and place to get married? How did you feel about your partner at the time of marriage and did you feel any certainty about whether they were the one you were meant to be with forever?
For those of you INFPs who are married, how did you know it was the right time and place to get married? How did you feel about your partner at the time of marriage and did you feel any certainty about whether they were the one you were meant to be with forever?
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Re: How were you sure they were THE ONE?
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 12:01 PMnobody is "the one "
don't get married. big mistake for anyone . just co-habitate if anything .
watch this : youtube.com/watch
youll be glad you did .
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Re: How were you sure they were THE ONE?
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 3:36 PMEveryone's relationship is different. I've seen many friends get cold feet before their wedding. By my wedding day I was more certain that we should get married then I was of the existence of the ground beneath my feet.
You're an NF, you have to 'feel' what your 'intuition' is telling you. Then develop the faith to follow it.
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Re: How were you sure they were THE ONE?
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 10:28 PMHi Mary.
I'm not married and thus don't have a very experienced opinion on this, but I read your other thread and I'm kind of going through the same thing on a much lighter scale. I guess I'm myself in need of help or advice about whether to pursue my ISFJ relationship, because she really is a spectacular person and her and I are a GREAT match, but I myself feel.... just strangly not fully there. So though maybe from my perspective I can't really give advice, which seems to be what you're seeking, I think we could both benefit from our different perspectives -gaining some clarity on the situation.
So today I was talking with my INFJ buddy and he helped me realize something about it (which actually relates to this particular thread pretty well). Our thoughts on it were that to the NF, love is the pinnacle of human relations, or really of human experience in general. At least I know to me, and my other Idealist friends, love is not something mundane or everyday, it is absolutely everything. MORE than everything. Connecting with another human being on such a deep scale, to me, is divinity manifest.
So our hypothesis was that perhaps to SJs it's more of like a stepping stone in a relationship. I think for SJs love is much more easily approached, used as a tool of sorts to help bond and build a long-standing relationship. Maybe to SJs the pinnacle is marriage, the after-affect of finding love. I dunno, maybe that's why you feel unfulfilled. Maybe the SJ, once reaching their pinnacle, would seem as in to it as when the Idealist reaches "love" and "eternity." Perhaps there is fulfillment for an INFP/ISFJ relationship yet.
I wonder... the abstract world of the INFP love is but an enigma. Maybe one like that could benefit from such a grounded person. -
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Re: How were you sure they were THE ONE?
Fri, April 4, 2008 - 7:38 AMSJs are practically minded while NFs are more dreamy minded. Love may seem more dreamy than practical to an NF but that just one part of love. Being with an SJ, you have the opportunity to come to a greater understanding of love yourself by learning to understand it from their perspective also.
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Re: How were you sure they were THE ONE?
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:44 PMSmitty,
That was very insightful and helpful. I can fully relate to the feeling of being a great match but not still not feeling wholly present in the relationship. It seems as though the relationship carries on without me, it perpetuates itself whether I'm active in it or not. My partner has somehow made it it's own machine...I think in part due to the amount of routine and stock behavior/responses he has put into it and that I have accepted and went along with. He very much enjoys having routine in the relationship, but the lack of spontaneity tends to snuff out any feelings of passion for me as perhaps you can understand. The routine only reinforces his feelings, somehow, and so I am left standing with a plug in my hand with no outlet to plug it into.
Exactly, love transcends the mundane! I feel the same way, but no one seems to understand this. I feel the need to sweep all the everyday things away to get to the formless, boundless atmosphere of love, but my lover finds love in all these tedious things. At the precise moment when I'm choked by the details and weary of a moment that seems empty, my partner will tell me how surreal it was for him...for example, my boyfriend and I went to the store, then we went to get ice cream and then did a few errands and went home. I was feeling frustrated by all the small things we were doing that prevented a real connection from happening between us in those moments, but he told me how "magical" it felt just to do each of those things with me, as though he got some kind of fulfillment from small talk and errands. I found it completely void of emotional content and any kind of true connection. This is a frequent occurrence where my lover is captivated by insignificant things we do together while I'm uninterested and bored. I find it very challenging to find mental stimulation in this relationship and thus often find what we share together to be meaningless, more or less.
I agree, it seems to be the case with him that marriage and NOT love itself is the crowning point. He has the love right now but is feeling terribly uncomfortable without the closure of marriage, something I cannot relate to...We frequently argue about marriage as he desires it deeply and I feel no need for it, only wishing the relation to continue at a slow pace with the possibility of marriage looming out somewhere in the distance. I feel things are way too under-developed for me to even think about marriage. I wish I could find the ethereal in our relationship, but I haven't so far. As much as he talks about love, it really is just as you say, a "tool" for him. It is as though all this time he has viewed love as an implement, like a wrench, to tweak and repair every area of his life that is lacking, detail by detail. He sees marriage as something that will solve all his problems. I keep wanting to sink into love, like a pool of water, but he wants to structure it and that just kills it for me.
I am still quite frustrated with him and this situation. I do think I could benefit from his grounding in reality, but he seems to remove so much of the wonder and imagination from life since he is not focused on the possibilities. I often wonder if I am just expecting too much and I should realize the wonderful thing I have with him and settle for that. Perhaps it is too tall of an order to expect to find someone who will understand people as rare as ourselves and we should just take what we can get.
You really hit the nail on the head and I'm glad to find others like you who understand this feeling and the frustration I'm going through. I appreciate your thoughts and advice, it really helps.
THANK YOU!!!
-Mary
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Re: How were you sure they were THE ONE?
Yesterday, 12:18 PMI'm ambivalent about right matches. My fiance is an SJ, and he grounds me a LOT, but he also doesn't understand the way my mind works so that's really frustrating at times. NFs are initially really attractive but we take things SO personally that if there's any conflict, it's really bitter (at least in my experience). My SJ can get over my tendency to be sharp-tongued in arguments - especially since he knows I'm really working on it. My few relationships with other NFs seem to be overwhelmed with mixed emotions, both of us feeding off the other...it was exhausting!