Numbness / Depression / Creativity

topic posted Fri, May 9, 2008 - 5:48 PM by  jake
I swing to and from these states with little or no control. It seems to make no difference whether I am physically healthy and in a 'good' frame of mind or taking drugs and trying to force certain moods. I often obsess over perfection, in every aspect of my life (except time management!) like attempting to provide the perfect conversation, cook a perfect meal, write the perfect music. Obviously, this is extremely difficult because I find perfection to be subjective and therefore a bit of a headache when it comes to treating other people perfectly... for instance, in a group of people I am shy but I feel a huge responsibility to keep the general mood happy. I find myself constantly weighing positives and negatives, to find the best outcome across the board. I have a huge problem with love. I love everyone. Even if I hate them, I still empathise to an almost intolerable extent. Sometimes all of this leaves me feeling hollow and disembodied, like I am watching myself in a movie. I know rant, rant, rant. Sorry :) Everything just fits together for me, most of the time... (unless it's mathematics)... because I just feel it. People rarely believe me and I find this irritating but I can understand why. I have tried very, very hard to rationalize my creativity and my feelings and feel I have come to a sort of middle ground where I can switch off if I am in danger of hurting myself. Unfortunately this seems to be most of the time.

If you read all of that you're probably pretty bored by now :) I was just wondering if anyone else Identifies or if they would just like one of those smiles that we all seem to share with soul-piercing eyes! I love other infps but our morals are always so different... what a shame!
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jake
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  • Re: Numbness / Depression / Creativity

    Fri, May 9, 2008 - 9:04 PM
    Im reading THE POWER OF NOW by Eckhart Tolle
    it helps me stay focused on the present and enjoy now not live in the past of future....
    that has been a challenge for me ...and it is cause for much distress in my life .. high expectations of what could be and negative reminders of stuff that already happened
    Im glad I found this book... it has made me realize so much already..
    you might want to try it..

    ;)
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      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:52 AM
      I really liked The Power of Now too, but found I was pretty much unable to put into practice most of what he said. More power to you if it's helping you!! Apparently I'm 100% N (infj) so I can only manage to live in the moment for about 30 seconds before I'm exhausted by trying. I'm trying grounding meditations, which at least helps me feel focused, even if my focus is not on the present.
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        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:37 AM
        Just to answer the question in case I have not..
        its yes I have shifted form one mood or emotion to another many times.
        when I was younger it was worse but now its much better and it occurs less and less
        but Ive had to work on it.

        On the book...

        trust me that focusing on the NOW , the present is a challenge because Im a big dreamer and think of the future often....
        but one of the points in the book is to use your mind and the future thinking for practical uses l
        ike a goal but then live that goal day by day in the present moment...
        same as the past
        think of it and dont make the same mistakes but once your done making those types of decisions
        live now to the best of your ability.
        Catch your mind when it shifts to past and present for no real reason
        and focus on your senses.... focus on what you are living right then.

        It just makes me feel happier and less angry, worried or obsessed and the pratice gives me the ability to enjoy my SELF and My life more , it brings about the change and peace I want without expecting someone else to do it for me.
        plus prayer or meditaion helps too ( those are the pretty much the same to me). I have only managed 20 minutes at a time but Im working on meditating for longer periods.

        Im still reading it so Im sure I will find more tips on how to"s...

      • Re: Numbness / Depression / Creativity

        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:32 AM
        You're misunderstanding the scores on the "tests." Nobody is 100% anything -- all those numbers reflect is how *certain* you are that a particular preference suits you. (And people can be 100% wrong, btw.)

        We all use all 8 of the cognitive processes -- none of us got overlooked with some of them. If you weren't using Sensing, you wouldn't be able to read this message. You wouldn't have been able to type yours. You can't get through a single day without using *plenty* of Sensing faculties, both introverted and extraverted.

        It just isn't possible to BE 100% anything. Psychological type is about what you naturally prefer to DO -- not what you "are."

        You might care to visit my website, www.INFJ.com, to learn more about your pattern.
  • Re: Numbness / Depression / Creativity

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:58 PM
    I don't have INFP preferences, but I don't exactly see a stampede to respond to this thread, so I hope you don't mind hearing from an INFJ Life Coach. You can always skip it, of course.

    On this side of the monitor, it sounds a little bit like you are at the mercy of your emotions. Which means you're probably stepping over the thought or belief producing those emotions in the first place.

    ===========================
    The Order of Creation
    ===========================

    Here's how it goes:

    Thoughts -> Feelings -> Actions -> Results

    Our thoughts determine our feelings, our feelings determine our actions, and our actions determine our results.

    So I'm picking up that you're very "tuned in" to the feelings, but you aren't tuned in to the thoughts creating the feelings.***

    You do give a little hint of them when you talk about "perfection" and "keeping others happy" though.

    Let's take perfection first. Perfection is a pretty good failure strategy. :-( Addiction to perfection is a brilliant way to procrastinate, and when one doesn't actually produce or commit or followthrough, one gets to console oneself that at least they didn't do something IMperfect.

    Trouble is, that's a pretty unsatisfying way to live one's life, and it sounds like you may be experiencing that.

    I wonder what would happen if you make arrangements with yourself to substitute "excellence" for "perfection." And when you sense the "perfection" thought come up, examine whether "excellence" might be a more productive goal. Perhaps that will help you get into action more.

    (I know I'm making this suggestion this with an airy wave of the hand, which doesn't capture the amount of effort it takes to make this kind of switch -- but trust me that I know what I am proposing is no easy task. I also know you're a smart guy and can probably do a lot with very little pointing from me, so I don't have to beat the idea to death.)

    Next, you say "I feel a huge responsibility to keep the general mood happy." Boy this brings up a lot of baggage over here! :-O

    Some part of me wants to label you a "people-pleaser," another part wants to call you "codependent," still another claims you're being "inauthentic." How dare I judge you so harshly?

    Because I resemble those remarks!

    So I don't know if I'm writing to you, or writing this out for myself to read.

    What I DO know is that Catalysts (NFs, Idealists, whatever you call any person with N & F in their type code) have natural skills at being Diplomatic. I don't mean diplomatic as in "political"; I mean diplomatic in terms of being able to *really* step into somebody else's world and see through their eyes, and establish common ground with another person.
    I define it in a lot more detail here:
    www.INFJ.com/INFJ_Diplom...lligence.htm

    So it sounds like your diplomatic skills are on hyperdrive, probably at the expense of your authenticity (which commonly happens to Catalysts)!

    The big bitter irony of most Catalysts is that sometimes they can be the world's biggest phonies. (Crazy I know.)

    We aren't good at setting boundaries, we want people to be happy, we bend over backwards a lot of the time to ensure that happens, and then we Lose Ourselves in the process.

    And then we start living in the crazy (empty) place where we pretend to be something we aren't so that people like us, but then we know on the deepest level that the person they like isn't US, which makes us feel even MORE empty.

    Does that sound anything like the cycle you're living? Are you being a phony?

    If so, don't beat yourself up -- it seems most Catalysts go through this cycle at some point in their existence.

    I don't know how old you are by your message, but once a person starts individuating (maturing), alarms usually start to go off that we need to change our habitual ways if we are to move through life successfully. We're "wired" in such a way that we need to leave our comfort zones in order to realize our Selves.

    Here are a few ideas for you:
    1) read the book "Yes or No -- the Guide to Better Decisions" by Spencer Johnson.
    tinyurl.com/55cm3p
    You can read it in one sitting, and hang in there until the last third of the book where it pays off -- you'll know what I mean when you get there.

    2) come up with a list of your top 5 values and rank them. Start honoring them, and pay attention to ho you are honoring them everyday. Give yourself daily scores for how well you're doing. (This is one of the fastest ways to get yourself back into integrity and authenticity.)

    3) start making yourself a priority. In fact, get selfish about taking care of yourself! (Note: you don't have to hurt others to do so.)

    4) practice setting boundaries -- you can start with small boundaries and get good at them so you're ready to tackle the big ones when it counts. Experiment with ways of doing it gracefully and with integrity. (And remember, it's not just about setting them -- it's also about maintaining them.)

    5) notice how you can have a different opinion from others without making them "wrong." If everybody else likes mint ice cream and you prefer vanilla, it's OK! Honor diversity -- take joy in having differences! (This is part of the process of individuating.)

    "Individuation offers the possibility that everyone can have his own direction, his special purpose, and it can attach a sense of value to the lives of those who suffer from the feeling that they are unable to measure up to collective norms and collective ideals. To those who are not recognized by the collective, who are rejected and even despised, this process offers the potentiality of restoring faith and dignity and assures them of their place in the world." -June Singer Harris

    I notice I have a lot more I want to say to you, and I'm also anxious that I may have over-stayed my welcome already. So I'll leave it there for now, with the caveat that there's a whole lot more to be said. (I didn't even dip into what Dr. John Beebe says about "falling into the archetype." :-O)

    If you DID trouble yourself to read this, I hope you'll let me know how it landed, and let me know if you would like to continue the dialogue further.

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    ***You might find it useful to do some research on Dr. Albert Ellis and R.E.T. -- Rational Emotive Therapy.

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